00:00 Introduction: Cricket star proclaims Christ to 500M viewers

01:08 Bold visionaries in sports ministry

01:19 When press conferences become pulpits

02:37 Athletes’ lives constantly on display

02:48 Sports infiltrates everything in society

03:14 Sports as universal language

04:09 Greatest ROI potential: Reaching pro athletes

04:35 The isolation problem for professional athletes

05:10 70% bankruptcy/addiction/divorce rate post-retirement

06:03 Pro Athletes Outreach: 55 years of discipleship

06:45 Learning to be surrendered disciples of Jesus

07:13 The locker room model: Pro to pro ministry

08:37 Francis Chan moment: Holy Spirit calling

09:17 Athletes have platforms the world listens to

09:51 Finding identity beyond the game

10:49 When you taste what it’s like to be alive in Christ

11:26 NFL stands for “not for long”—ministry beyond the game

12:20 Break my heart for what breaks yours

12:42 Collaborative environments for kingdom impact

13:20 Entrepreneurs and athletes: Both problem solvers

14:19 Early stages of global sports ministry potential

14:45 Soccer: 950 believers among 567K pro players

15:05 13 major sports, PAO currently serves 3

16:47 Decades of faithfulness leading to this moment

17:45 Understanding our times like men of Issachar

19:10 The 30-second moment on live TV

19:57 Matthew 7: Building on the right foundation

21:19 Pro to pro: Why peers accelerate authenticity

23:34 Sports as the new Roman roads for gospel

24:33 Tim Tebow era: Masculinity meets bold faith

26:10 Direct-to-audience media changes everything

27:40 Sports Spectrum: 40 years of keeping Jesus in conversation

28:08 Global headwinds: Not all cultures applaud public faith

28:37 Women’s cricket semi-final: 10X World Series viewership

29:46 The cost: Potential career sacrifice for Christ

30:51 Sports loyalty rivals religious devotion

32:16 Getting the data: How unreached are pro athletes?

32:58 Pro sports less reached than Somalia, North Korea

34:54 Life as collection of seasons

35:47 None of us can do it alone

36:54 Reaching athletes early: Maximum kingdom impact

37:30 Beyond the game while still in the game

38:48 Connecting faithful chaplains globally

39:24 The 3:30 ecosystem explained

41:07 Ministries as organisms, not just organizations

42:37 Entrepreneurs and athletes: Similar DNA

44:24 Leading from behind and beneath

46:11 Next steps: Join a faith-driven community

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00:00 Barna research: Entrepreneurs trusted 2X more than pastors

01:15 Charleston staff retreat and the significance of church steeples

04:42 Mark’s journey: From church plant to Saddleback to FDE

06:20 Two counter-narratives: Declining numbers yet God is moving

07:55 Josh’s story: 10 years marketplace, 10 years pastoral ministry

11:22 The moment we’re in: When did marketplace ministry become normal?

12:38 Why business lunches lose steam after six months

15:14 Society is looking for action-oriented leadership

17:56 Church partnership opportunity overview

18:43 Entrepreneurs need each other in this unprecedented moment

20:09 Pastors transitioning to marketplace have more pastoral conversations

21:33 The “do it all” trap: Why churches get paralyzed

23:22 If you start with everybody, you’ll never get the entrepreneur

25:55 Entrepreneurs are time-starved—give them what speaks to them

27:46 Pastors and entrepreneurs: More alike than different

29:25 Entrepreneurs don’t demand things, they build things

30:30 How entrepreneurs can bridge the gap with their church

32:59 Safe place to wander: What entrepreneurs actually need

33:48 Hockey arena and mall examples: Churches dreaming entrepreneurially

37:35 Foundation Groups and the eight-week pathway

38:50 Simple first steps for entrepreneurs and churches

40:46 The network of 250 churches becoming entrepreneur hubs

42:14 No cost, no catch—just partnership

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00:00 Barna research: Entrepreneurs trusted 2X more than pastors

01:15 Charleston staff retreat and the significance of church steeples

04:42 Mark’s journey: From church plant to Saddleback to FDE

06:20 Two counter-narratives: Declining numbers yet God is moving

07:55 Josh’s story: 10 years marketplace, 10 years pastoral ministry

11:22 The moment we’re in: When did marketplace ministry become normal?

12:38 Why business lunches lose steam after six months

15:14 Society is looking for action-oriented leadership

17:56 Church partnership opportunity overview

18:43 Entrepreneurs need each other in this unprecedented moment

20:09 Pastors transitioning to marketplace have more pastoral conversations

21:33 The “do it all” trap: Why churches get paralyzed

23:22 If you start with everybody, you’ll never get the entrepreneur

25:55 Entrepreneurs are time-starved—give them what speaks to them

27:46 Pastors and entrepreneurs: More alike than different

29:25 Entrepreneurs don’t demand things, they build things

30:30 How entrepreneurs can bridge the gap with their church

32:59 Safe place to wander: What entrepreneurs actually need

33:48 Hockey arena and mall examples: Churches dreaming entrepreneurially

37:35 Foundation Groups and the eight-week pathway

38:50 Simple first steps for entrepreneurs and churches

40:46 The network of 250 churches becoming entrepreneur hubs

42:14 No cost, no catch—just partnership

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00:00 Introduction: Bringing faith and work back to the local church

01:34 What is The Gospel Coalition?

02:49 Leading a council of 45 diverse pastors

04:04 Theological triage: Keeping main things main

05:42 Current challenges facing the church today

07:26 Information overload and AI’s impact on truth

09:31 Gospel Coalition’s AI Christian Benchmark Report

10:33 Should the church engage AI or wait and see?

12:15 Faith and work integration comes to the church

13:31 Faith and work 2.0: Beyond valuing work to church partnership

14:56 Why business leaders need to be good churchmen

16:00 Why are pastors and entrepreneurs missing each other?

17:18 Week in the life of a pastor breakdown

19:49 Translating pastoral demands into entrepreneur language

21:04 Where entrepreneurs could help pastors most

22:28 The missing platform and presence problem

23:44 Meeting business leaders in their world

25:44 Dark seasons: Introduction to lament

26:54 Defining lament as prayer in pain leading to trust

28:42 Grieving business closure and entrepreneurial loss

30:07 Four types of lament in the Psalms

31:06 Why leaders need permission to lament

33:29 Navigating uncertain seasons and gaps

34:44 Waiting on the Lord through uncertainty

36:20 Gaps in biblical stories we often miss

37:21 Psalm 27: Waiting as a position of strength

38:51 Building waiting into your strategic plan

39:33 When gaps become uncomfortable and idols emerge

40:17 Next steps and practical application

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Episode 354 – This 4-Pillar Model Is Transforming Uganda’s Future | Andrew Devaney

Join host Justin Forman in conversation with Andrew DeVaney, founder of As One Africa, for an inspiring discussion about what it takes to solve interconnected problems in rural Uganda. From his friendship with a rural educator to building a four-pronged model serving 50,000 patients, 4,000 students, and 5,000 farmers annually, Andrew shares how empowering Ugandans to solve Ugandan problems creates sustainable transformation.

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Andrew DeVaney didn’t set out to build a four-pillar community development model. It started with a friendship—staying with a rural Ugandan educator and witnessing firsthand how education, healthcare, agriculture, and employment challenges are deeply interconnected in communities where the majority live on subsistence farming.

Now As One Africa operates seven locations with 420 full-time Ugandan staff, serving 4,000 students, 50,000 patients, and training 5,000 smallholder farmers per location. But the real innovation isn’t the scale—it’s the model. By treating beneficiaries as customers and building earned revenue streams, they’re creating sustainable solutions that don’t depend on foreign aid.

Discover why Uganda’s young population represents massive opportunity, how storytelling can shift narratives about Africa, and what it takes to stay in the game long enough to see real transformation happen.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction: Solving big problems together

01:53 Geography 101: Understanding Uganda’s context

02:16 50 million people in the size of Oregon

03:23 The demographic advantage: Africa’s young population

03:51 Why young people expect better from their leaders

05:12 The big problem: Rural service delivery challenges

06:09 Empowering Ugandans to solve Ugandan problems

09:04 “You want to catch a thief, send a thief”

09:11 Coming alongside vs. replacing local leadership

11:55 Sustainability through earned revenue models

13:27 From beneficiaries to customers with voice

14:12 Community buy-in through financial investment

16:54 Scale overview: 7 locations, 420 staff, thousands served

17:41 Why these four pillars? Schools, health, farms, business

18:52 The interconnectivity of rural poverty

19:32 Many players needed to solve big problems

20:16 The airport analogy: Building economies takes collaboration

21:52 Overcoming scarcity mindset for abundant Kingdom thinking

22:09 Starting with conversations and relationships

24:29 Abundance mindset: There’s so much out there

24:52 The church’s unprecedented resources today

25:08 Praxis impact: Venture building meets soul care

25:25 Balancing what we create with who we are

27:18 Time in the game: Long obedience in the same direction

28:30 Creative problem-solving with moving goalposts

29:04 Not just what we do, but how we do it

29:48 Re-risking and staying in the game

30:21 Humble ambition in the Praxis community

30:49 The power of storytelling: Shifting African narratives

31:54 Telling stories with dignity and possibility

32:32 Hope rooted in resurrection: Neither pessimist nor optimist

33:33 Supporting actors: Letting Ugandans be the heroes

34:01 Words don’t just describe reality—they create it

34:21 Check out As One Africa: asonearica.org

34:43 Closing: Where to get involved and learn more

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00:00 Introduction: Celebrating 100 years of Correct Craft

01:10 Filming with Right Now Media a decade ago

01:45 The Malone family origin story in 1925 Florida

02:46 World War II: 420 boats in 23 days without working Sundays

05:00 The bankruptcy story: Refusing a bribe, paying back discharged debts

06:57 Five CEOs in five years: The challenging era

07:43 From $39M to over $1 billion through recession and growth

09:14 What made Bill consider the fifth CEO position

10:13 Walking away the first time, reconsidering the second

11:28 God moment #1: The dream house sells to the penny

13:16 God moment #2: The tutor asks to be released

14:50 What values tested by government teach us

16:52 The Mexico service trip that saved the company

17:40 Why almost everyone thought it was a bad idea

18:25 “Best few days of my life”: The turning point moment

19:41 Why pay for trips instead of writing checks

20:34 Ripple effects: Inspiring the next generation

21:48 How service trips connect the “why” for teams and families

22:33 Global growth and acquisition strategy

24:33 How values translate across products and countries

25:27 The Culture Pyramid: Building Boats to the Glory of God

26:02 Navigating difficult decisions as stewards

28:32 When stewardship looks inconsistent with faith values

29:37 Surprise geography: Nautique boats in Namibia

30:40 Horizontal and vertical integration strategy

31:37 Like-minded capital and protecting seller legacies

32:57 Celebrating a 100th birthday as a company

34:17 Making investments for the next hundred years

35:20 Innovation in wake technology and industry recognition

36:39 Proverbs 3:5-10: Staying on your side of the equation

38:05 Legacy of standing for values through every challenge

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00:00 Introduction: Make America (and Africa) Healthy Again

00:49 Welcome to Nairobi: When entrepreneurs step in as problem solvers

01:43 Jean-Paul’s origin story: Watching his father’s harvest spoil

02:54 The scale of the crisis: Africa loses $1 trillion annually to food waste

04:03 Studying Agriculture Science at Uganda Christian University

04:51 Why cold storage and chemical fungicides weren’t the answer

06:03 The turning point: Looking to nature and asking God

07:18 The oil discovery: How orange peels naturally preserve longer

08:53 Two paths to food scarcity: Production vs. preservation

09:35 KaFresh breakthrough: Doubling and tripling shelf life

11:20 The personal motivation behind rejecting synthetics

13:55 “Make America Healthy Again” resonates in Kenya too

15:01 Cancer crisis and tracing food system contamination

16:15 Innovation from the ground truth, not ivory towers

17:06 Genesis 1:29 and plant-based science inspiration

18:50 Farmers losing over 50% of harvests post-harvest

20:29 Mile 10 Lagos market: 90% tomato loss case study

21:38 Why Western cold chain solutions don’t scale in Africa

23:56 History of food preservation: 1800s monks and beeswax

26:00 World War I and the turn to unsafe synthetic preservatives

27:47 Concrete for cabbages, formalin for fruit: Dangerous methods today

29:33 God’s way of engineering solutions for His glory

30:52 Connection with German scientist providing rare ingredients

33:11 Daily photo time-lapses proving the miracle

34:52 When produce thinks it’s still on the mother plant

37:40 The validation moment: Empowering his father against exploitative traders

39:32 “God Engineering”: Connecting the dots He leaves as clues

42:30 Uganda’s 2 million farmers as the backbone of the country

45:23 The mindset shift: Like small business owners in America

47:35 Expanding beyond preservation: GrowFresh for seed germination

49:09 Making insects invisible to produce instead of killing them

50:04 Innovating with farmers: Listening to powder form preferences

52:40 How God speaks through amazing teammates

54:11 The power of stories to help people see differently

56:35 Call to action: Solving world’s greatest problems together

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00:00 Introduction: From bumper sticker to reality

01:59 Attending C12 Conference in Texas

03:18 The business model: Turning waste into opportunity

06:33 Beyond the phrase: Making God’s ownership real

07:14 How pride nearly destroyed everything

08:34 The sheriff at the door: Facing bankruptcy

10:14 Two kingdoms: Building his vs. building His

12:02 Meeting Francho and learning about Neko Capital

13:21 What does the Shareholder want? Changing boardroom questions

15:54 The David and Goliath moment of decision

18:00 Accountants, lawyers, and the caution of giving away ownership

19:28 The daily fight: What is important to our King?

21:45 Choosing complexity over comfort

22:28 The four essentials: Obedience in relationship with God

24:42 Spiritual alignment in the boardroom

26:38 Raising kids without entitlement

28:20 Teaching gratitude through your own bankruptcy story

29:56 What stops people from making this jump?

30:45 The comfort of security vs. dependence on God

31:59 Benefits of surrender: Freedom from founder’s burden

34:52 The Elon Musk thought experiment

36:45 Joining the chorus: Stories of radical stewardship

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00:00 Introduction: Once rescued, join the rescue squad

01:12 Welcome to Boulder and the Clapham gathering

02:08 What is Clapham? 150 entrepreneurs fighting trafficking

02:57 Why a dense network matters for complex problems

04:26 For-profit DNA: Abundance vs. scarcity mindset

04:57 Big God mindset over limited mindset

05:56 The history of Clapham and William Wilberforce

06:54 Introducing people to the issue: Accessibility beyond complexity

07:43 Human trafficking vs. sexual exploitation: Understanding motives

08:11 The villain behind the villain: What brought Tim to this fight

08:35 Tim’s origin story: His father rescues four girls

10:00 The pastors who did nothing and the power of excuses

11:20 Meeting the girl whose mother boiled out her eye

13:12 The book “Look Again” and choosing to see

14:08 Why it hurts to draw near to people’s pain

15:13 The root issue: Value and worth

15:14 Nazi Germany and “life unworthy of life”

17:54 What does “made in God’s image” really mean?

19:34 From image bearer to image being

20:43 [Faith Driven Entrepreneur for Teens ad]

21:46 Transforming heart, mind, and eyes through looking again

22:18 When we don’t see people, darkness targets them

23:40 The villain’s coordination vs. the church’s response

24:32 Against living a balanced life

25:08 Why do we need balance?

26:17 I don’t want to arrive in heaven well-rested

27:16 How do you make money fighting trafficking?

28:24 For-profit, for purpose, and for people

29:49 [Church partnership network ad]

30:36 The size of the army needed for this fight

31:47 Ashley Chapman: Training healthcare workers to identify trafficking

32:53 Trafficking victims at your child’s school

33:30 The counter-trafficking industry: $500M to $5B by 2030

34:43 Compounding impact vs. compounding interest

36:13 Making money matter

37:47 Matt Hasselbeck: Giving beats throwing touchdowns

38:46 How to get in this fight

39:39 Outro and community invitation

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00:00 Introduction: 20 years pioneering faith and work conversation

01:03 From Juggling Act to today: What’s changed in 20 years

02:04 Next-generation entrepreneurs: Spiritual expectations of success

03:52 Redefining wealth: Beyond numbers to freedom and purpose

05:21 Balanced life vs. juggling act: Intentionality over perfection

07:41 45 years at Intel: The painful, purposeful transition

10:15 Harvesting learnings from difficult seasons

12:06 God’s timing isn’t your timing in transitions

13:43 The new season: Investing, Gloo, and family focus

14:46 What is Gloo? Building the faith technology platform

17:00 The Gutenberg moment: Printing press meets AI

19:18 Why the church abandoned the marketplace (and why Gloo won’t)

20:17 Making Gloo big enough to matter at the tech table

21:44 The church is massively resourced but tragically fragmented

22:03 Largest fragmented industry on planet earth

24:00 Fueling tech companies with our advertising dollars

25:20 Flourishing AI benchmarks: Measuring models on human wellbeing

26:01 Surprising result: DeepSeek (Chinese model) leads in flourishing

27:12 Absence of bad is not proof of good in AI

28:12 Training models on “the good stuff” from Christian works

29:09 Good stuff in, good stuff out: The model training principle

30:43 Denominational customization: 99% core, 1% unique perspective

34:24 Every language, every child: The normative future of faith tech

35:30 Connecting the kingdom: The light bulb moment in Bay Area

36:05 VMware CEO role and the birth of TBC vision

38:15 900 churches in Bay Area: Hard ground, kingdom fruit

39:07 “For Christ” vs “WITH Christ”: The critical preposition

40:10 Find what wakes you up and bring it to your business

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